Jamie and Keith are back to discuss their side hustle progress. Jamie managed to get some of his customers over to using the callback API behind the scenes in Tatsu, but ran into a snag for doing multi-tenancy with jobs. They dig into how each of them think Callbacks will be used in practice and talk nerdy for a bit. Jamie get's a designer for Callback (http://callback.run). The conversation saga continues... Jamie started over (again). Keith failed to do the planning that he had wanted to do. Developing with Docker had it's first TWO sales (http://courses.coderjourney.com/p/developing-with-docker), but some direct traffic is showing that the sales copy is failing to convert. Jamie gives Keith some advice on how to talk to his customers and improve his conversions. "Always talk to your customers".